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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Jun 12, 2010 14:29:16 GMT -6
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Post by Celeste McCall on Jun 13, 2010 10:51:35 GMT -6
Dear Amy, You get an A from me. what I really like about it: - It looks like a human painted it.
- I love the shape of the grape cluster.
- It has a dominance of color - pink (and even the background too).
- I really like the squiggly parts (tendrils and curly looking edges). This gives a bit of excitement.
- It has a dominance of value and dominance of size for the main object and leaf, and a dominance of shapes (triangles).
- The negative shape is nice looking.
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Post by Tami Durbin on Jun 13, 2010 17:25:13 GMT -6
Dear Amy, Now you have painted pretty grapes!!! Your paintings are very pretty!!! Tami
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 22, 2011 16:22:57 GMT -6
I just want you all to know what an inspiration this particular thread has been for me. I loved the approach to grapes as it is an extremely valuable tool to go to....portraits!!! The Eyes have it and grapes teach those intricate values of light, cast shadow, refelcted light..and more. I have one fire...hopefully left. ..on the grapes.... before posting the photo's of how I arrived at the finish! It is the Final colors that have staggered me; so I decided to go for ... the different combining the Red Grape with Deep Red. The last fire, I fired hotter than usual and burned out my subtle...I thought LOL...brushes of color over the basic Red Grape. Well, we are on our way to see what the kiln genie does This Time! Keep your fingers crossed for me...PLulease!!!! I did go overboard with the "fru fru"...stems and curlicues..sigh..but it is a painting to teach ME.... and that is why I was sooooo inspired by all your wonderful paintings!!
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Post by Celeste McCall on Apr 22, 2011 22:26:21 GMT -6
Dear Pat, It is great to hear from you and I can't wait to see what happens when you fire this. And 'fru fru" is good. I'm a fru fru-er too! I think that the best thing about this method is that we get in the darks and lights right off the bat. If we paint them all 'light light light' then we work harder later (but still works of course)....but if we get the values right....then we can wash color on and it looks really nice. Tell that kiln genie/fairy/imp/goblin to be nice to you!
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 23, 2011 5:09:38 GMT -6
Thanks, Celeste, for your encouragement...I NEED it! Have one more plate to work on before kiln is fired. I hope to do that today. I have take pixes of each step..good and bad for reference. Now my new kittens have discovered the living room and have found a box filled with the white plastic fillers....think it is a wonderful playtoy! My own fault for leaving it...available!! LOL
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 25, 2011 9:18:44 GMT -6
Hi At last... This is my first fire and you can see on the right side that I added grapes for balance. This is 2sd where first fire upper background was added Now comes the next to the last fire..will not take you through all the frustration of the Deep Red I wanted for the grapes as most of it fired out. I finally figured that the Ivory I used for the background underneath (an old one, ate Everything! The grapes on the very right look the way I wanted them to be all over. The upper background gets one more fire when I can face it again..Does anyone else have that problem when a painting takes much longer than anticipated? Please do critique this...it is a Learning for Me so I can teach it in class...And a bigtime thanks for Celeste for the grapes ;D My own assessment is I love the design, just not the final fire; but as I wanted to try the red..that is on me..
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 25, 2011 9:20:03 GMT -6
Well, I got the last size right....been awhile...patl
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Post by Pat Alexander on Apr 25, 2011 15:54:56 GMT -6
Pat, a really like your grape plate! I understand you had a vision but the end result is really cool Yes...the pattern is unique and I do really like that but I also like the uniqueness of the color. It is a treasure!
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 25, 2011 16:22:33 GMT -6
Pat ...Hi! Thank you for your input so much! It is great to see others impressions..a very, very BIG help! Is nice to see another "Pat"
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Post by Celeste McCall on Apr 25, 2011 16:35:55 GMT -6
Dear Pat, The only thing that I think that it needs is more darks against lights on the grapes and the leaves. By the way....those leaves are super! WOW! Love those. In this method of painting grapes, it's either one or the other of the following: value contrasts (lights and darks) with not much concern for color. or color contrasts - the darks and lights don't matter as long as you use cool colors against warm colors. Be sure to have a dominance of one or the other and all will be great. If I were you, I would use ruby to darken some of the grapes. And then wipe out a small sparkling highlight. I wonder if you put some dark shadow grapes up on top of the rubyish colored area - for balance? (I'd use mahogany to do that if you did it). Love the leaves Love the stems Love the shapes of the grapes Love the red colors. One thing I learned that if you can't go redder? Then go the other way on the color wheel toward red violet and purple even....and that way the red that 'holds' will stay warm against the cooler reds. I hope that this makes sense. Thanks for showing your grapes. Lovely!
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Post by patricia on Apr 25, 2011 18:34:21 GMT -6
Love, love this...thank you for sharing...gonna try it on watercolor as I do not have kiln yet...Great design Pat and color is wonderful...Patricia in PA....formerly in SC
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Post by patricia on Apr 25, 2011 18:42:55 GMT -6
Celeste: Thank you for sharing this study...I want to try it with watercolor...Just looked at all the grapes and they are all lovely...Love the Monochrome....Patricia in PA where it is finally getting warm...I even turned on the air today...yahoooooooo!... Love these grapes!
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Post by Celeste McCall on Apr 26, 2011 7:11:11 GMT -6
Dear Patricia in PA, Thank you so much and I do appreciate the feedback for sure. I would love to see your watercolor effort in this. One thing that you might try also is an acrylic underpainting and then the washes with watercolor. That way you get the same effect as what we get with 'firings'. I'll try to do a watercolor of that soon to let everyone see how to do some grapes with acrylic/watercolor with this method. I hope to start teaching watercolors/mixed media one day in the future.....as soon as my duties as Editor of the Porcelain Artist are over. I've done that 5 years for free and it's someone elses turn to do it.
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Post by patricialudy on Apr 26, 2011 9:22:58 GMT -6
So glad you like this Pat...my PA Pat:) This study, the method that Celeste has developed would be great with water colors and I hope you get to have the time to do it. Please do, Pat, and would love to see the finished result.
Celeste, your reply was just what I needed. Will go darker on the grapes with Ruby and see how the shadow grapes do. Now I'm excited all over again. Thank you for setting me on the path!!! WhoaHOO!! Off ...... and painting!
Shape of grapes....fraid I "cheated' there..laid paint, used a baby bottle nipple; press, press....Grapes! Otherwise I have a terrible time getting the shape right. I have copied and pasted your recommendations to my docs in case something ..anything..would close this thread
Thank you all again ..any other critques are more than welcome!!!
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Post by irenef on May 2, 2011 3:25:21 GMT -6
Hi Celeste this is my first visit to ARTchat and I'm amazed at the amount of information I can find. I love your grape design for the bowl and I'm certainly going to try out the recipe for the red grape colour.
kind regards IreneF
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Post by jackiehalhead on May 2, 2011 4:58:11 GMT -6
Thank you for showing this technique. Did you know that this is how the Master Artists at Aynsley achieved depth of colour?
They applied monochrome, and in England, they were taught to use a warm sepia colour and after firing, apply from the limited palette they were allowed. They had so few colours compared to the range we are able to access these days.
My favourite is the bowl which is right up my street, and quite beautiful.
I was glad to have something to view as my husband is just about to go into surgery after nearly slicing off his finger yesterday while helping my daughter lay decking. I needed to be distracted, and this was just the ticket! ;D
Jackie Halhead, UK
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Post by Celeste McCall on May 2, 2011 10:45:27 GMT -6
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Post by patricialudy on May 16, 2011 18:52:28 GMT -6
Well, I took Celeste's critque and worried, pondered, procrastenated ... finally finshing up this plate. It is in the kiln cooling as we speak. I am not totally thrilled with it, but want you all to know I learned LOTS from this exercise. When my grandson and family (back from Afghanistan) were home, I asked them to go through my porcelain and Maryland China catalog to pick out what they would like. One of the choices I had on hand is 6 china plates to hold the wine glasses. So I did grapes...just finished...on one and am going to do berries ..all diferent...on the others. These grapes appeal better to me..but I'm still working.! Will use this grape plate in class for do's and don'ts..among other stuff. Thank you all again. Will post tomorrow am, sometime......After coffee LOL
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Post by tabdet on May 27, 2011 5:10:44 GMT -6
Celeste, I LOVE your grapes!! Everyone else had very beautiful grapes also!! I have only painted grapes once. I am in the process of mixing new paints (not as many as I had before). So I am going to try this method. You really have me excited about grapes. I have always been afraid of them before. I would very much like to be put on the list to purchase your grape packet. Thanks so much for this post.
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Post by patricialudy on Jun 8, 2011 6:42:47 GMT -6
Well, I ..being the world's greatest procrastinator..and definitely not in love with the finished red and purple grapes, decided it is not fair not to post my "yuck" as maybe someone besides me will benefit from the color errors made. Then the fact the reds look orange make for a strange picture. My take: design ok leaves ok grapes...YUCK But the second grapes I did for my grandson's family I like; so the mistkes I made on the first one really helped going into the wine plate. It is not too noticable but there is Fools Gold brushed over the purple where the wine glass sits. I am going to do a set and will do matching glasses when all 4 are finished. Lord...Glutton for punishment.. Any comments critiques. Please feel free... Had a terrible time trying to get an appropriate size...but the thumbnail will take you to a large. Will do better on any other. Thank you all for your patience.
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Post by patricialudy on Jun 8, 2011 6:45:21 GMT -6
Left out they are going to be Different fruits...Couldn't do all the same if I tried! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 16:06:28 GMT -6
*Question ~ Celeste, when you did these grapes did you strt with the "finger grape" and then add the shape after ? or did you just paint each grape as an indiviual and shade each one ? just curious. I do both, but sometimes like my shading on the fingers grapes best.
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Post by June Watson on Jan 23, 2013 14:04:58 GMT -6
Celeste, Just wanted you to know I spent some time today in your Teachers corner here.I am teaching my students grapes and leaves, I really needed help on grape leaves. I love the colors and shapes you give yours. This is so difficult for so many.
Just wanted to Thank you again for all you post! ;D
June
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Post by Celeste McCall on Jan 23, 2013 19:03:25 GMT -6
Thank you June. You are a sweetie! You paint gorgeous paintings. Don't see any need for help.
One trick I use with grape leaves, though, is to push with side of thumb every once in a while on the edges. This creates a perfect scallop. Use different sides of fingers for different sizes of scalloped edges. Just push slightly though.
Hope this helps.
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Post by June Watson on Jan 24, 2013 7:51:26 GMT -6
Yes, I will give that a try. I do use my finger to pull out strong highlights. I forget how much control we can have with using our hands.
I have a 11 year old student that uses her fingers to pat in her backgrounds. She paints wonderful, I will post some of her work soon. She also plays the piano and chello just out of this world beautiful. She is a prodigy child for sure. Thank you,June
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