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Post by Cherryl Meggs on Feb 15, 2010 10:08:14 GMT -6
Prisicilla, Good job, love the movement, yep love the tendrils too, the curvy lines really look good with the squared sides of the piece you are painting.
Celeste, Correct me if I am wrong here but the key to doing this is to have your darks, midtones and lights established from the very beginning, I did what was called a Grisaille technique, means to gray with the Rosey violet of iron years ago with fruit and flowers. Then later wash color of choice over the fired Violet of Iron. This grayed the colors a bit. Making for instant unity.
In that way you don't overpaint. We have done this also in Black Grape, the best was from Mr. and Mrs. of Dallas. I did this in my first grape seminar with Kay Houston and it is still one of my favorite paintings.
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Post by Celeste McCall on Feb 15, 2010 11:22:20 GMT -6
Dear Cherryl, You are exactly right for sure. ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d I love their black grape too. Also love Brenda Morgan Moore's purple black that she paints white horses with. That is similar to the color that I mixed as I used a high gold content color....so it tends more purple-ish as to reddish looking. But either is great to use.
I used this technique with Michael Turner (who took from Kay Houston also) when he did a seminar here years ago too. We painted 14" punchbowls and was that ever hard to do...but we all loved it. ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d
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Post by GLORIA WEBB on Feb 15, 2010 16:02:20 GMT -6
As usual Ladys its all beautiful thank you for sharing. Gloria..
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Post by Celeste McCall on Feb 15, 2010 18:48:58 GMT -6
Dear Gloria, It's GREAT to see you. ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d I hope that you are still painting and enjoying every minute of it. Would love to see what you are working on. ;d ;d ;d ;d ;d
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Post by MaryLou on Feb 15, 2010 22:19:21 GMT -6
Priscilla Your grape design and the lovely canister is going to be a wonderful combination. I loved the way you placed the grapes around the upper part of the canister. You are going to have a beautiful painting when you are finished. Thank you for sharing. Mary Lou
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Post by Amy Enright Medina on Feb 16, 2010 0:09:35 GMT -6
Ok, Here is my attempt at Celeste's Punchy Grapes. I don't have very much experience painting monochromatic and found it to be a fun challenge! It really had me thinking about positive and negative space! I feel like I learned so much just doing this first fire. I used willoughbys black grape and ?s red grape, because that is what I had on hand that looked close to the suggested color. How did I do Celeste? I'm very open to corrections and I can't wait to see what the next steps are! I have the line around the boarder because I want to see how some scrolling looks. If the scrolling looks decent , I'll post that too. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS LESSON CELESTE! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Feb 16, 2010 0:42:17 GMT -6
Thanks Mary Lou and Cherryl. Amy, Your grapes are looking great! Love that square plate and your design. The color looks good! ;D ;D ;D Priscilla
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Post by Tami Durbin on Feb 16, 2010 10:44:50 GMT -6
Dear Amy,
Your grapes are very pretty!!! Thank you for sharing them with us ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tami
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Feb 19, 2010 15:06:28 GMT -6
Celeste, Here is my second attempt with the "punchy grapes". My plate is ready for the first fire. I love painting with this red grape color. Having so much fun with this. LOL, sorry for the ugly background of the kiln, but when I decided to take a picture, I didn't want to move it. Less handling the better when it's wet. ;D Priscilla
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Post by Celeste McCall on Feb 19, 2010 17:03:08 GMT -6
That is very pretty and very elegant, Priscilla. I love it and can't wait to see this go into the next phase. LOVELY!
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Post by GLORIA WEBB on Feb 19, 2010 17:32:58 GMT -6
Amy your plate is going to be lovely. Pricilla love your plate and such a pretty piece of porcelain. Celeste no I m not painting just dont seem to be able to get with it.But hoping it will come back soon.Gloria..
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Feb 20, 2010 0:00:51 GMT -6
Celeste, Thanks so much! Gloria, It's been fun! Priscilla
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Post by Pam Millspaw on Feb 20, 2010 6:42:37 GMT -6
Pricilla, I love the grapes, even in the kiln. I have been debating whether I am skilled enough at painting to attempt grapes. Your painting is beautiful!
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Feb 20, 2010 9:35:55 GMT -6
Pam, Thank you! I have always had some trouble painting grapes, but trying them in the red grape/monochrome for the first fire, was better for me. At least for the first painting and fire. LOL, we will see if they get better with the next phase. Try it, you may surprise yourself, like it did for me! Celeste is a wonderful teacher/painter, and she gets me inspired and excited about china painting! Thanks, Celeste! Priscilla
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Post by Tami Durbin on Feb 20, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -6
Dear Priscilla,Your punchy grapes are beautiful Tami
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Feb 20, 2010 11:54:15 GMT -6
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Post by Sheila Hanley on Feb 26, 2010 20:01:04 GMT -6
You gals are giving me "grape fever"!! Can't wait to get started. As a side note, I start my new beginners out with a monocramatic design. I find it so much easier for them to understand the importance of value. I looooove this sight!!! Thanks for all you are doing, Celeste.........Sheila
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Post by Celeste McCall on Feb 27, 2010 9:55:14 GMT -6
Dear Sheila, It's great to hear from you. I agree for sure about teaching them this way. They begin to understand about values for sure. Thank you and hugs for posting your messages. We all love hearing from our members.
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Post by Pam Millspaw on Mar 4, 2010 18:08:34 GMT -6
Celeste: I just got the red grape china paint in the mail. Tonight I started on the project. I will finish up tomorrow and post a picture.
Priscilla: I am "borrowing" your design since I loved what you did with it on your plate. So graceful.
I am looking forward to what we do next.
Pam
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Mar 4, 2010 20:28:36 GMT -6
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Post by Mary Gosden on Mar 5, 2010 10:41:21 GMT -6
Dear Amy and Priscilla, What lovely pieces you are doing! I love Celeste's method of grisaille for the first fire. WE did this at Caz a few yrs. ago with Celeste and it works in any color scheme! It's a terrific under-painting technique and the only way I will paint grapes anymore!! Love to all, Mary
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Post by Celeste McCall on Mar 5, 2010 16:06:20 GMT -6
Dear Pam, I can't wait to see your results. Dear Priscilla, You are so sweet. I learned this method originally from Michael Turner who learned it from Kay Houston. So the original thanks goes to her for doing it. However, it's a time honored way to paint. I believe that Kay Gray used to paint this way....with grays. Some one else did this too...a long time ago but can't remember who that was. She was young at the time though....I do remember that. Was it Shirley Weston? or ? Anyway, thanks for the sweet post. You are a darling. Dear Mary, You did a great job with those grapes. Yours was as pretty or prettier than the teachers. I was really impressed by your talents and I continue to be impressed by everything that you do since that time as well.
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Post by Pam Millspaw on Mar 5, 2010 17:29:04 GMT -6
Painter friends, This is my first monochrome and my first grapes. I would welcome all critiques so I can make any changes before I fire. Pam
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Post by Celeste McCall on Mar 5, 2010 22:01:09 GMT -6
Dear Pam, That looks very pretty so far. Great job! If I had a suggestion I would add one more grape out on the left edge of the left hand cluster because the grapes seem to be lined up too much....OR take a grape out. Either way would work. If you add a grape on the outside edge...do it about 1/3 from the top of that smaller cluster of grapes on the left. Beautiful job, Pam!
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Mar 5, 2010 23:29:48 GMT -6
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Mar 6, 2010 16:04:39 GMT -6
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Post by Priscilla Cipolletti on Mar 9, 2010 15:19:24 GMT -6
Hi Celeste, I am looking for the newest post of your punchy grapes with color. Was I seeing things earlier or did I really see it. Now, I can't find it. I wanted to comment but got interupted at the time. Priscilla
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Post by Celeste McCall on Mar 9, 2010 17:53:12 GMT -6
Dear Priscilla, I put it up without the highlights and darks added. I'll add those first and then show again. Sorry for pulling it but I didn't want people to see it and think that it was the finished project. LOL
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Post by Pam Millspaw on Mar 9, 2010 19:48:14 GMT -6
Celeste, I removed a couple grapes from that line that was forming on the left. Upon closer examination, I decided to remove the three little grapes that were on the bottom, also.
I don't have any idea what to do next for the second fire. Can you help? Pam
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Post by Celeste McCall on Mar 9, 2010 22:47:16 GMT -6
Second step is to wash colors (strong colors not tints) over the grapes as shown below. Except use any colors that you like of course. Then wipe out a few highlights. (This photo above doesn't show where I wiped out the highlights though). But, after you wipe out some highlights you can fire again. On the 3rd fire, add some darks to the grapes where needed.
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