THIS AND THAT

[Celeste McCall]

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[Celeste McCall]

There is a place where some donated paintings were not “up to snuff” as other donations had previously been.
So it was first suggested that the group return it to the person who donated it.

Instead of returning the donations, the group decided to eliminate such by selling the “junk” …as it was called by the head of the group.
She also said they had too much “old lady” art like roses, grapes, flowers, etc. and needed space for her preferred-type of quality art.”. She would have definitely tossed the painting shown below.

Question 1:
If you painted fine art or even decorative art, would you want your donated-item sold? or would you want it returned to you?

Question 2 and this is the jist of this entire post:
… If you saw the painting below...would you keep it or toss it?


(This painting below , BTW, was last sold for almost $120 million. Both this painting and the Mona Lisa are the two most recognized painting in the world according to online articles.




Question 3: If a person cannot paint well themselves then can they judge art as good or bad for a Museum, for instance? And by doing so, would they discard such as the painting below because they do not nor ever had any type of design lessons or art appreciation lessons?

Question 4. List by preference what makes good art to your eyes.

Design by art principles
The subject
The emotion
How much it looks like a photograph
Something different than normal
Mood of the painting

[marcib]

Hi Celeste,
Glad you're resurrecting ArtChat!

To get in on the discussion:

I think what happens to a piece that is donated but no longer deemed desirable should be up to the artist or collector who donated the piece . That should be discussed up front. That could be a simple:" When we decide we no longer want this piece, would you like it returned or sold to benefit the museum?"
I also don't think one person should be able to make this decision. It should be a committee.
The reason I personally have not donated work is because I would rather enjoy looking at it myself than have it buried in a dusty museum attic or sold for pennies or end up in the hands of the city to be sold for pennies when the curator decides it's not their taste or their desirable quality level.

[marcib]

Question 4. List by preference what makes good art to your eyes.

***It has to make me want to look.

Design by art principles

*** I don't think about that so much while I'm painting or looking at paintings... And lots of great paintings break the rules...I think about art principles more when a piece guess sideways on me. Then ,that can help get me back on track.


The subject

*** Sometimes, yes. Faces will always grab my interest but there has to be more.

The emotion

*** ABSOLUTELY!! It has to make me feel something, even if it's " euwwww". There had to be an emotional connection . I mean, that's kinda the purpose of the whole thing.

How much it looks like a photograph

***I love realism and strive to do the best I can to achieve it in my own work... But it's not the be all/end all for me. Capturing the essense is the most important. Some photo realism is amazing because of the sheer technique but leaves me cold while a piece with just a few well placed brush strokes will speak volumes.

Something different than normal

*** I like different. I like people who can show me the world in a way I haven't seen it before. In our china painting world, we do tend to see a lot of carbon copy work. Even our honored " master painters" copy other painters, like all of the Catherine Klein pieces we see( as one example).
There aren't a lot of teachers who encourage or teach original art and those that do, like you and Cherryl Meggs, to name two, are a real blessing.
I understand the copying thing and that not everybody has the desire to put in the work needed to learn to do original work . Painting just for the sheer enjoyment of it is certainly something to be encouraged... But students wanting to " do they're own thing" shouldn't be discouraged either.

Mood of the painting

**** ABSOLUTELY. Mood invokes emotion.

So basically, I can't rate them because they're all important... It all has to come together to make an outstanding painting.

Well, I think I've gotten in enough hot water . Remember, this is MY opinion. Your mileage may vary.

[Lois White]

I am so glad you are "back in the business" of promoting art here on ProBoards.

Art speaks differently to different souls, and I have learned to be much more receptive to styles different than I would paint. Sort of like music--from jazz to Bach there is something special about each one that affects peoples' likes and dislikes.

For me, color is an eye-catcher, and I love to see different combinations used--and I often look at it and think of the color wheel to see what I especially am liking. So many times when I analyze it, it turns out I like complimentary and analogous colors, and usually the darker tones and vivid over-all feeling appeals to me. I love realism, but am trying to paint more freely to get more of a feeling of "me" in it.

I wouldn't want that painting in my home, but that doesn't mean it is bad. We all have choices, and I would rather have a McCall or Meggs or Pereira or Zitterkopf on my wall!

And I do love "different" and strive to be creative in my designs. Most of the time my crazy ideas come when I am in bed and can't sleep!

I have just moved to a senior citizen park and now have a 1767 square foot place to try to put a 3000 square foot previous home in--so I don't have much painting time right now, but as soon as the kiln gets set up, I will be back at it.

[Celeste McCall]

Thank you Marci. I agree about asking the person if they want their artwork back ...if they are alive that is.
You have a keen outlook and I appreciate your thoughts.
You are very wise.
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Thank you Lois. I agree that art is very much like music. I’m concentrating on trying to do more whimsical art in the future...
..I’m inspired by the movie, “Mrs. Potter.”. it is a movie about Beatrix Potter’s adorable paintings.
I cannot wait to see what you paint in the future.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[Pat Alexander]

I'm excited to see ArtChat working again! I always loved the sharing here! >^..^<

Celeste, if I were to donate a piece to an organization I would be very upset if it were stuck in a closet or sold! We have some pieces handed down in our family dated early 1900s and we had thought about donating a piece but I think we just rather keep these special pieces in the family. Lots of special memories attached... I'm with Marci - an honest discussion is so important all around!

I am sad about Tana Parks and all that...but I do believe we just need to focus on our painting. I think we each do have special gifts to share, each in our own way. And I love that! I feel very blessed to be a part of this group! Celeste, you, Cherryl, Paula, Marci...have contributed to my art journey in huge ways! It has been fun for me to watch each of us grow thru the years and I am looking forward with excitement! I love seeing what everyone is creating! Thank you for starting ArtChat again!

[Celeste McCall]

Yes, I hope to get involved in this more soon. We try to keep all positive here,but the lies being told have to be exposed and it is unfortunate. Anyway, we will move forward and try to crank this old baby back up for some learning and supporting.

[Celeste McCall]

Tony Saladino does expressive art. There aaare feelings evidennt in every piece of art he makes.
www.facebook.com/tony.saladino.33

His videos state some art principles that are essential to every kind of art, IMHO.

[Celeste McCall]

www.virtualartacademy.com/notan/

Here is a great designing website on Notan

[Celeste McCall]

Why Can’t We Be Like Children? by Celeste McCall

Why can’t we be like children
And dream of a better day,
Where everyone is kind to all,
And love will always stay.

Where every one we know is dear,
And hours are filled with play,
Why can’t we be like children,
With a gentle and trusting way?


Be someone who believes that good
Is not just for a few,
Be kind and caring like the child
Who’s still inside of you.

[Pat Alexander]

Love your poem...why can't we be like children? >^..^<

[Celeste McCall]

I’m sorry everyone. I’ve just been so busy that I have not been able to get this place going for teaching again. I’ve got to stop watching tv I guess…and looking online on my IPad. Lol.

[MaryLou]

Hello Everyone,

I received a recent and friendly email from Celeste regarding this forum. Thank you Celeste. I’m snooping around trying to get a foothold on how this forum is set up. Thing I understand most right now is the emoji tab. . Who doesn’t love a good selection of smiley faces. Anyway it felt like old home week. Glad to be back reading the forum.

A side note. I used to be on Facebook and decided to delete my account in March 2022. I do continue to post on Instagram and manage my website at www.maryloulaberge.com.

I’m thrilled to discover that this forum was up and running.

Have a real nice day!

Mary Lou LaBerge

P.S. Hope I posted this in the right place and super glad that my old user id was still working.  All of which made logging on much easier. 

[Celeste McCall]

Dear Mary Lou
Great to hear from you. I love your art and your website was always one of the best designed and so amazing. Loved it.
I’ve been really busy this past few years and it is hard to find online time. I need to get back to doing what helps others when all of us teachers help the beginners etc to learn.
Welcome back and feel free to make your own thread or whatever you want to do. Miss you and all our great people who used to post here.
Facebook pretty much did us in but maybe we can eventually get some help to those who need or want our help. Great to see you!!!

[Celeste McCall]

Around 20 years ago, I was thinking of a way to show students how to use color theory easier. So, I made my circular palette and used to hand these out at seminars This makes color theory without having to learn all the unnecessary mumbo-jumbo. Today I add more info from what I learned from Bob Burridge when deciding colors.
1. 80% of surface= 3 analogus colors=3 colors next to each other on this palette.
2. 10% near focal area of complement color = color opposite of the ‘middle’ color of the three analogus colors you chose.
3. 5% each of the discords= 2nd color on each side of complement …….use at focal point sparingly.
Then use #2 and #3 to mute the main 3 analogus colors (#1) as you paint outwards away from the focal area.